We’ve all heard it before. It’s rude to talk on your cell phone while out for dinner with friends or to text in the middle of a meeting. But according to Celeste Headlee, author of the new book, We Need to Talk: How to Have Conversations That Matter (Harper Wave), it’s not enough to avoid your phone. When you’re meeting with someone in person, best not to even bring the phone.

“Even the presence of a mobile phone hurts the quality of the conversation and the strength of the connection between people,” says Headlee, who hosts the daily news show On Second Thought on Georgia Public Broadcasting.

Parade recently talked to Headlee – no cell phones in sight—about the lost art of conversation and how we all just might manage to reconnect.